Comments on: Legal Recourse for California Proposition 8 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/ Raw Vegan and Marathon Runner Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:06:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Van http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-575 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:52:31 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-575 Reflecting on the fact that Phillip and I cannot get married at the moment (a situation that will absolutely be remedied!), we've decided to show up tomorrow morning at 10:30am, for the nationwide Proposition 8 Protest. More info about this event is at http://jointheimpact.com/ Please feel free to join in at your local location! And, in the news, <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10968299?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com" rel="nofollow">Santa Clara County has joined in the fight</a>! I thought the arguments made by Ann Ravel, Santa Clara County counsel, in this statement were excellent. Reflecting on the fact that Phillip and I cannot get married at the moment (a situation that will absolutely be remedied!), we’ve decided to show up tomorrow morning at 10:30am, for the nationwide Proposition 8 Protest.

More info about this event is at http://jointheimpact.com/

Please feel free to join in at your local location!

And, in the news, Santa Clara County has joined in the fight! I thought the arguments made by Ann Ravel, Santa Clara County counsel, in this statement were excellent.

]]> by: Van http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-573 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:27:01 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-573 Check out <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUDeAWr0oQE" rel="nofollow">Keith Olbermann's special comment</a> on gay marriage on MSNBC. I thought it was fantastic, he get emotional, yet puts it all pretty eloquently, and makes a great case for allowing gay people to marry. Check out Keith Olbermann’s special comment on gay marriage on MSNBC. I thought it was fantastic, he get emotional, yet puts it all pretty eloquently, and makes a great case for allowing gay people to marry.

]]> by: Phillip http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-570 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:24:21 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-570 Hi Dear, Here is a link you may add to your website. To get those that have expressed their disappointment about Prop 8 passing to sign a petition going to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Hugs, Phillip http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html Hi Dear,

Here is a link you may add to your website. To get those that have expressed their disappointment about Prop 8 passing to sign a petition going to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Hugs,
Phillip

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

]]> by: Van http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-565 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:10:39 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-565 <div style="float: right; margin-left: 10px"><a href="http://www.ksbw.com/video/17913803/index.html" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://vanboughner.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/on_the_news.png" /></a></div> Phillip and I were interviewed yesterday, and we appeared in a short segment on the evening news. The channel 8 news team was down at the Diversity Center and looking for gay couples to interview who would have gotten married during the next year if given the chance. We've been talking about marriage a lot together recently, and we agreed we didn't want to rush down to the court house last month to get a marriage license. Instead, we'd like to do it in a way that involves our family and friends, and that takes planning, so we were willing to wait. The opportunity to get married will come around for us again, I feel pretty sure of that. You can watch the news segment here, we're about 1 minute into it: <a href="http://www.ksbw.com/video/17913803/index.html" rel="nofollow">KSBW 8: Local Voters React to Prop. 8 Passage</a> They briefly showed a picture of Rubin and Michael with us years ago, but didn't explain it. Quick editing job I imagine, I understand our reporter didn't much sleep on election night. But hey, it's our first TV appearance together!

Phillip and I were interviewed yesterday, and we appeared in a short segment on the evening news. The channel 8 news team was down at the Diversity Center and looking for gay couples to interview who would have gotten married during the next year if given the chance.

We’ve been talking about marriage a lot together recently, and we agreed we didn’t want to rush down to the court house last month to get a marriage license. Instead, we’d like to do it in a way that involves our family and friends, and that takes planning, so we were willing to wait. The opportunity to get married will come around for us again, I feel pretty sure of that.

You can watch the news segment here, we’re about 1 minute into it:
KSBW 8: Local Voters React to Prop. 8 Passage
They briefly showed a picture of Rubin and Michael with us years ago, but didn’t explain it. Quick editing job I imagine, I understand our reporter didn’t much sleep on election night. But hey, it’s our first TV appearance together!

]]> by: Phillip http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-564 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:45:21 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-564 Hi Jennie, Thank you for your feelings and thoughts on the matter. There is much to be done as you have read here on Van's blog. Hopefully there will be a change which will allow us as gay couples to marry. Something Van and I had talked about and wanted to do. We planned on waiting until after because we wanted to plan our wedding and invite our family and friends to witness our commitment to one another. You were asking on how to donate. There are two organizations that we have been donating to over the past few months, the first being a local <a href="http://www.homosexualagenda.org/index2.html" rel="nofollow">GLBT Alliance</a>, and the other is <a href="http://www.hrc.org/" rel="nofollow">Human Rights Campaign</a>. You're a sweet heart, Big Hugs, Phillip Hi Jennie,

Thank you for your feelings and thoughts on the matter. There is much to be done as you have read here on Van’s blog. Hopefully there will be a change which will allow us as gay couples to marry. Something Van and I had talked about and wanted to do. We planned on waiting until after because we wanted to plan our wedding and invite our family and friends to witness our commitment to one another.

You were asking on how to donate. There are two organizations that we have been donating to over the past few months, the first being a local GLBT Alliance, and the other is Human Rights Campaign.

You’re a sweet heart,

Big Hugs,
Phillip

]]> by: Lily http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-563 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:38:38 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-563 I'm very disappointed that Prop. 8 passed... I can't believe we still have SO MANY conservative CALIFORNIANS. I'm glad to see that a legal action is underway and more steps need to be done before this Prop. is written in CA constitution (Thanks, Van, for the explanation). Sigh. How can others not seeing this is a discrimination by passing the Prop.? But I have to be honest, my parents are 'others'. We discussed it quite a few times and the result is that neither of us could convince one another. I don't know how to make them see this issue just as 'the color of our skin'. I’m very disappointed that Prop. 8 passed… I can’t believe we still have SO MANY conservative CALIFORNIANS. I’m glad to see that a legal action is underway and more steps need to be done before this Prop. is written in CA constitution (Thanks, Van, for the explanation). Sigh. How can others not seeing this is a discrimination by passing the Prop.? But I have to be honest, my parents are ‘others’. We discussed it quite a few times and the result is that neither of us could convince one another. I don’t know how to make them see this issue just as ‘the color of our skin’.

]]> by: Jon http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-562 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:54:29 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-562 Obviously I don't know much about the CA Constitution - I have my own preposterous and overly-amended state constitution to worry about back in Talibama - but looking at Article 1 and its language about ex post facto law and "obligation of contracts," I don't see how there's a leg to stand on re: invalidating existing marriages under the law. As for the rest...let's saddle up and ride. Obviously I don’t know much about the CA Constitution - I have my own preposterous and overly-amended state constitution to worry about back in Talibama - but looking at Article 1 and its language about ex post facto law and “obligation of contracts,” I don’t see how there’s a leg to stand on re: invalidating existing marriages under the law.

As for the rest…let’s saddle up and ride.

]]> by: Jennie http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-561 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:50:06 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-561 Oh Van, THANK YOU. This is bringing tears of joy to my eyes. I have been so upset and depressed since last night, it's not even funny. My temper has been consuming me and it's taking all of my will power to not let it take over completely. I'm trying to hang onto hope, but had a hard time finding it. I felt so pissed off at all the Yes on H8 people for yanking away the hope and excitement I felt last night when President-elect Obama was elected! My feelings are bittersweet right now. But these details are the first I've read that give me more hope! I don't want to have to wait years and years for this to be declared invalid and wrong, but I will wait it out however long it takes. I just hope it can happen much quicker than my fears think. Thank you. And by golly, if you ever know of or decide on which group would be the best to donate to for working on repeal Prop 8, please let me know! Love, Jennie, a very happily married straight woman who supports and loves you and everyone Oh Van, THANK YOU. This is bringing tears of joy to my eyes. I have been so upset and depressed since last night, it’s not even funny. My temper has been consuming me and it’s taking all of my will power to not let it take over completely. I’m trying to hang onto hope, but had a hard time finding it. I felt so pissed off at all the Yes on H8 people for yanking away the hope and excitement I felt last night when President-elect Obama was elected! My feelings are bittersweet right now.

But these details are the first I’ve read that give me more hope! I don’t want to have to wait years and years for this to be declared invalid and wrong, but I will wait it out however long it takes. I just hope it can happen much quicker than my fears think.

Thank you. And by golly, if you ever know of or decide on which group would be the best to donate to for working on repeal Prop 8, please let me know!

Love,
Jennie, a very happily married straight woman who supports and loves you and everyone

]]> by: Van http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-560 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:49:25 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-560 Someone asked me about what will happen to those gay couples who already married. As far as I know, this is a bit up in the air, since the amendment states that their marriages aren't recognized, but some legal scholars say that such a thing cannot be retroactive. Here's a <a href="http://cbs5.com/politics/proposition.8.results.2.856642.html" rel="nofollow">great article about Prop 8</a> that addresses this and some of the other issues. Someone asked me about what will happen to those gay couples who already married. As far as I know, this is a bit up in the air, since the amendment states that their marriages aren’t recognized, but some legal scholars say that such a thing cannot be retroactive. Here’s a great article about Prop 8 that addresses this and some of the other issues.

]]> by: Van http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-559 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:35:32 +0000 http://vanboughner.com/2008/11/05/gay-marriage/#comment-559 An update, I see that <a href="http://www.lambdalegal.org/news/pr/legal-groups-file-lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow">legal action is already underway</a>. An update, I see that legal action is already underway.

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